Wednesday, December 10, 2008

I'll take out my teeth to make room for your words, AKA the Dion defense.

Ok, I was going to post later, but I have to say this now. I never said that the Liberals and NDP share policy. I think the most I've every said to that is that they tend to fall on similar sides of the issues. That said, the Liberals come up with proven, balanced and practice (real world, one might say) solutions, while the NDP come up with idealistic, one sided, shortsighted and infeasible ones (dream land, as it were). The party is even worse under Layton (he plays politics as dirty as Harper, just for the other team) as they are now muddling the ideals I could at least respect from a distance with feel good platitudes that serve no one but sound electable. What I was pointing out was that many of your arguments about why the coalition was an issue for western Canada, applied to the rest of Canada in reverse. While I would never advocate letting the NDP get a hold of any sort of a purse string, let alone any money that may (up until then) have been in the purse, I would (and do) trust the Liberals with every (red?) cent the country has. They are very different parties, and as a result I could never see a day when anything stronger then temporary coalitions form between them. (That said, the Alliance and PC parties were almost as different, and technically they merged (read: the PCs are no more, we now bow to our social conservative overlords).)

What I was saying, was that the idea of the two parties coming to some sort of terms to advance the issues they do agree on should not be overlooked. While I'm totally unsurprised (and would even have predicted) that there are many Liberals who would vote for the Conservatives over the NDP. (Given a reasonable non-social conservative at the helm, I would certainly consider it.) No, given that the Liberals are in the centre, it only makes sense that they draw from both sides. The point is simply that if some deal could be struck and sold, there are some places they could benefit. Also, your scenario is trite and unlikely for reasons beyond those you give. :P (I am supposing here that emoticons are considered formal English for the new generations.) I shall also point out again, that new polls really need to be taken, as much of the recoil form the coalition could have been for reasons unrelated to the coalition itself, and more to do with what they were trying to do with it and when, as I pointed out, just as I also said that the coalition would also risk the Liberals status as a party that could form government.

One thing that the current coalition can do (after the crisis is sorted out, read: force Harper to do something, and force an infrastructure spending bill through) is put pressure on Harper (read forcing) to out some solid environment plan through (ideally a carbon tax). This could even be helped along with economic stimulus through infrastructure spending. (Dear Santa, this year I want a sky train line to UBC, signed: Vancouver.) Currently, even though the big boys have gotten into the game, Canada is basically saying "We want to save money on sun destination vacations". I would be unsurprised if the Conservatives are blocking change as they consider global warming to be part of their economic stimulus package (Resolute = New Singapore), after all they put all the rest of their old spending in (to hide the lack of stimulus maybe).

Cause, in the end, without pressure from all three opposition parties (and it would help if the Greens gave up and joined real parties), I won't be the only thing without teeth.

1 comment:

Unknown said...

Only a few thoughts some responses some just pulled from the ether on these past few posts.

Of course the coalition is dying -- no one in the Liberals seems to understand the idea of a consistent message. The party has been in trouble since Chretien didn't step down before completely destroying the landscape and thus poisoning it for all who have and would consider coming after.

I've been offended by Harper's characterization that we have more equal Canadians and True Canadians. The Bloc's been in the House for more than a decade -- the country still stands and those Members are working to represent their constituents interests. All this coalition talk has done is reinforced the point that the Bloc has a place in Canada. The saber rattling of Duceppe will get more attention (and money) than sending Liberals or Conservatives to Ottawa

I think the Liberals can recover from breaking the coalition as long as the budget has some strong carrots for Quebec. Harper's going to need them for his own reasons but Iggy and the Bloc can still take some credit. The budget won't be good enough to support but showing what Liberals can do is what people can see and what Iggy can sell.

Building on some real principles of a fairer richer Canada lets get a platform that's built on what Canada needs to be doing in development immediately. Whether its in six weeks or six months its clearly going to be needed.

On the regionalism issue -- Once the West starts getting hit a little harder by the commodity collapse and construction starts to slow especially in Alberta and Saskatchewan (like canceling of the upgraders around Edmonton) and the real estate numbers start to come down in Calgary, Edmonton, Red Deer, Regina, Saskatoon and Lloydminster some of those prairie voters will start seeing the value of a slightly more interventionist government. The red will pick up on Jacobs lovely graphs. One other thing GET over the damn carbon tax - it ain't happening for a while.

The biggest failure of the Liberals has been and is continuing to be the divided camp that's getting so muddled on message. Granted Liberals have a great history of a very broad perspective of the country and concerns of the nation are many fold but addressing the most pressing issues of the country in this moment is needed. There is a demonstrated ability to fiscally manage the country but it needs a laser precision discipline. That means reestablish strong leadership and ensuring that disputes are contained to the caucus room. The Chretien-Martin feud destroyed this and having a leader who is intelligent and open to new ideas and discussions is a terrific way to start rebuilding the party. This in turn needs to extend to the Members and Cabinet in the media. Remember that one message works much better than the multitude of opinions the Liberals seem to have fallen to in past three Parliaments goes a long way to improving electoral perceptions and prospects.

Kevin